Great article. The IQ scores of East Asians/Indians do reflect superior intelligence and are not the result of test bias or some other artefact. Intelligence however is necessary but not sufficient for creative and scientific achievement and traditionally it has been the Europeans who dominated in this regard, for whatever reason that may be.
The decision to face post and talk about race is also not a good one; I am in a position where I could post under my real name with no consequences but have decided against it. It's possible that somebody with the right amount of prestige and knowledge could contest the race taboo now with the genetic evidence that is available and win, but the kind of person that goes into academia and gets tenure is unlikely to have the temperament that is suitable for this task.
Lower hanging fruit and relative iq advantage over the orient that has eroded since the 'equalization'. Every photo of the workforce of some tech company in America is now studded with non-whites, and they are not DEI hires. As for science, it is now quite 'linear', gradually improving upon extant technology through iteration. Whether the Chinese could or could not replicate 18th century leaps in Europe on their own is irrelevant ( although I believe that they could ).
Lol infinite envy against white people, chinese people cant write books or film movies. They cant make games and cant write plays. They produced 8 books, 30 pieces of orchestral music, and 4 deadborn philosophies over 4000 years.
The G-factor in IQ test however does not put into account creativity and inventiveness however, which are intelligence in themselves
Especially for technical creativity, which is an actual form of intellectual creativity (eg. patent, invention, discovery) unlike artistic creativity which are more emotion based
Honestly I'm unsure how G-loaded creativity and inventiveness are, grades from standardized tests and any careerist-friendly setting are very G-loaded, while someone's intuition or insight is barely explored
There are genius Indians and Chinese... there are also a lot of people with impressive resumes who are imitating their more talented peers, which is a big difference.
I enjoyed this article and think many things are right, however some parts were a bit thin on examples and in particular I think one thing is wrong.
BAP repeats the assertion that most Chinese science is junk and that they cannot develop their own world class mathematical or scientific talent, instead having to rely on Western institutions to develop their geniuses. In general the critiques of the shortcomings of "oriental civilisation" may hold some water, but with respect to academia/STEM in particular I think this is arrogant and risks underestimating a serious competitor.
I will pick on the thread of mathematics since I believe BAP may have some familiarity with the elite of that world through his own studies or personal experiences. This may seem like nitpicking at first, but it leads perhaps to a more substantive critique.
It has seemed to me that mathematics is contracting in the US to fewer institutions recently, and that for eight or ten years or so the centre of gravity of that profession is moving to Europe but also to Asia, with some competitive Canadian institutions of note (like McGill and Waterloo).
Many top professors were already moving their students and shifting their efforts towards Europe (Germany, Switzerland for instance) many years ago due to the general dysfunction of US institutions (the top academics often have joint appointments at European or other universities, so this is one of the mechanisms besides simply connections). Many Russian mathematicians have also fled to Europe now which accelerates this trend.
However, today I think a young prodigy might pick Tsinghua's elite program headed by the famous Shing-Tung Yau (of Calabi-Yau) over anywhere else in the world. There is found the greatest density of young talent and enthusiasm, and in fact many western mathematicians are contributing there, either taking up residence or spending significant time. They are being hosted by Chinese institutes like this one, rather than the other way around, so in this way the tide may be turning the opposite direction to what is implied in this essay. For examples, recent Fields Medallist Cauchar Birchar (Iranian) is on the faculty there, along with some other more Western top mathematicians. Lin Chen who was recently implicated in the proof of Geometric Langlands is at Tsinghua. Kenji Fukaya (American/Japanese). Many visiting scholars from the West.
Back to the topic at hand, the STEM departments in the US (science and mathematics and engineering are all the same here) are the single biggest drivers of and believers in the kind of "high IQ immigration" criticised in the article. And they are not doing this because of fears of blacks or insecurities over sexual prowess but because it is the only way they can prop up their departments from further collapse. Of course international talent does not like to be around ghetto blacks, like in Chicago for instance, where someone is killed every other year.
This situation is mostly due, in my opinion, to lack of talent development at home (much better in Russia, China, Romania even when it comes to math), poor funding/career prospects in the academy for Americans, and a general cultural disinterest in these things among "WASP-coded whites", who are more drawn to finance, economics, or business as serious pursuits.
In terms of mathematics, maybe this is not such a big deal--it is scribblings on paper or in LaTex after all. I am not sure Americans as a people have ever been especially predisposed to this pursuit, outside of European-American Jews (with great goy exceptions of course...William Thurston, Steven Smale, John Nash etc....without Thurston and Hamilton there is no Perelman). But it seems much more significant when we talk about Physics or especially Engineering which are great American disciplines. Top STEM Phd. programs in Engineering (especially in hot tech areas) are often 60-80% foreign with huge contingents of East Asians. They aren't really reliant on being around white people or white institutions and mostly what they need is money for these things (China has it!). There is no reason this stuff will not move en masse to China that I can see, if the government there really wants to make it work. If anything, smart white students with interests in these areas want to be around the talented foreigners when they are willing to deal with the smell for their passion, which makes them disposed to ideologies like "High IQ Immigrant Nationalism" more than anything else. Many of the character traits discussed in the article are maybe more true in the "stiver classes" than in the truly top flight workers/minds.
If you want another data point for the argument here from the world of Mathematics, you can look at Putnam results in the past several years. The Putnam is the preeminent math competition in the world for undergraduates (although it may lose that title to Chinese competitions like AliBaba in coming decades). A decade or more ago students from many schools and more diverse backgrounds were always competing for top spots. Now the competition is almost entirely dominated by East Asian students (whether American or International) at one school---MIT. I think MIT (a class of its own), Princeton, Harvard, Washington, University of Chicago, perhaps UTexas Austin and CMU will remain solid, but otherwise even storied departments like Berkeley seem to be somewhat in decline.
A final true nitpick with this article is that BAP rudely ignores the great ENGLISH contribution to Mathematics. Since he is probably looking at the Fields Medal list---James Maynard, Gowers, Borcherds, Mumford. Several others in BRITISH INSTITUTIONS like the Swiss Martin Hairer. John H. Conway. I can only think some suppressed internal sense of shame at the superiority of the Cambridge program could cause such oversights....
I think the main problem with the HBD right is that they think mediocre tier graduates from the orient and elsewhere are worth having. True science, stem, or entrepreneurial talent (like top 1%) should be aggressively recruited, but it’s not particularly important that we get another accountant or registered nurse or H1B programmer or NOVA government contractor from wherever. Less disruptive than the underclass I guess, but not some great priority we need to have at all costs.
I also see that the HBD right can’t see the difference between Indians and East Asians. The former of which strike me as a lot worse than the latter.
Lastly, I think the author overemphasizes blacks. A lot of the HBD right seems to be worried about California and what Hispanic immigration did to it politically. California never had a lot of blacks and they aren’t even the main problem California has with urban blight. Mestizos giving progs unassailable political power in exchange for gibs is what motivates them (this is like literally what Musk says motivates him).
I don't agree with this perspective at all. More accountants, registered nurses, and H1B programmers make our lives easier. Why should we not have luxuries provided to us by foreigners?
I agree with the comment by @SourCreamOnionFritz but also to make three additional comments.
1. BAP's general point that a simple "retvrn to tradition" in America re: free association, normal policing, is sufficient to solve our many of our urban social problems is well-taken, but his political theory of change is ridiculous. There is no getting back to a simpler time, or taking on the fake policy technocracy, without your own small army of technocrats. The "dictatorship" or "schoolhouse rock", model of change that BAP seems to believe in betrayed by every empirical investigation of the Trump administration's performance and the actions of Trump himself, who began the final year of his first term in office by firing the entire Presidential personnel office. You need some policy nerds, some clerks, and some paperwork experts on your side to get things done. If you alienate 99% of them, they will still join your government AS ENEMIES.
2. BAP's fondness (and prejudices) towards the WASPs lead him to completely neglect their issues and the how's and why's they were displaced by the Ellis Island and Asiatic elite in the first place. If there is no going back, then would not having one or two Singapores in the U.S. be an improvement?
3. Similarly, I also think that the HBD nerd's focus on race and IQ, while deficient in so many ways, also elevates the conversation on net because it makes so much of modern leftism untenable. A world in which leftists consist only of the most close-minded, and literally ignorant people, is a world in which their reach is more limited. See, for instance, https://x.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/1848235255053877731
Rawlsian redistribution, mass redistribution to the deficient because they are deficient, simply does not play well in America. Instead, these policies are invariably framed as some kind of "investment" or given some other kind of economistic framing. Thus, the scope for practical anti-leftist arguments is large. The architecture of the most successful policy activism on the right in the last three decades, welfare reform, follows the logic of a right wing anthropologist Lawrence Mead, and was given considerable heft by an HBD race/IQ nerd who could well be a target of this article, Charles Murray.
@Bronze Age Pervert this is a very good retort and merits a response.
In your book and in this article you wisely advise RW men to enter more mundane clerk type fields like law or political consultant.
Yet here you have this psychoanalysis of nerdoid human type. Even if your assessment is part accurate the experience of trump admin 1. Revealed how necessary policy wonks and detail knowers are.
For instance, admin made many unforced errors due to lack of knowledge of admin law (they often outsourced these tasks to career employees who sabotaged and subverted, see eg; DHS head Elaine Duke in DHS v Regents case (DACA case)).
Bureaucrats can also just straight up refuse to do the legally necessary paperwork. So you need enough ideologically sympathetic clerks to replace them https://archive.ph/CMyUn#_ftn30.
only the last part related to the dreary clerk question. The writer’s style and voice is familiar, and he engages in ad hom attacks (starting with the title of publication), but im sure it would be a worthwhile exchange
>You need some policy nerds, some clerks, and some paperwork experts on your side to get things done. If you alienate 99% of them, they will still join your government AS ENEMIES.
This seems to be the direction the (coming?) Trump admin is going for: firing the deep state and replacing them with our guys.
The odds of this actually happening are quite small and its in large part because BAP's "great man" theory is both common on the right and wrong. Trump will face no penalty for business as usual, and that is the direction he will go. Musk, Zionists, and a few other billionaires are likely to push for some initiatives, which have their merits, but that is as far as things are likely to go. That BAP encourages some people, in some cases, to join the security bureaucracy etc. is actually less important than the overall frame of mind that endorses the "great man" theory of change. The accumulation of evidence that this won't get us where we need to go is now enormous. You need some community of idea-people, you need some wonks, and some institutions to do things. A movement that denigrates the special knowledge of right-wing wonks, of which, HBD is an important part, will fail.
Thank you for the detailed answer. If I may answer the counterpoints - With regards to;
1). There’s quite a “schoolhouse rock” way, it’s devolution of power from the unnatural New Deal Centralized arrangement back to America’s natural and organic Federation. Every American wide scale arrangement from the Iroquois to the Internet has been a Federation, we’re living through a power struggle of failing centralization. You would be correct if we wanted to take over The New Deal, or save DC. We don’t and we can’t (and shouldn’t). Trump isn’t running as the American Gaullist. To use a colorful metaphor, we don’t need technocrats if we have artillery, or matches. Metaphorical of course.
1a. BAP covered completely the technocratic methods for dealing with the particular boogeyman, Officer Stickwell of say the Giuliani policing era has both the correct techne and sufficient Crat to manage the issue.
(We knew all along, we tried, God knows).
We’re actually quite aware of why and how the WASPS fell, thank you.
We’ve come to realize IQ is overrated. For example, in any emergency but especially Natural Disasters, we have just seen again that in that scenario One Redneck is worth 1000 PhDs. The reverse isn’t true. The rednecks (I am one) also have the advantage of similar appearance to the WASPs, if not their fetching accountants and lawyers, who have recently become quite uncomfortable to realize they’re being lumped into the same category as the WASPS and shudder… the rednecks. It may of course be remarked that the WASPs in America began as Rednecks, and their er point 2 clerical usurpers as the urban variant of “redneck.”
I do hope this places all the rebuttal points in perspective. It is true that if we wanted to save the existing order you and the Heritage Foundation and it’s solicitous Project 25 would be correct… but we don’t want to preserve or reanimate the corpse… but bury it.
It seems to me there is a tension in BAPs thought, which as far as I know he has not fleshed out publicly at this point, between his more "humanistic" goals (reestablishing an emphasis on man's excellence in its full sense body, mind, spirit) and the desire for continuation and acceleration of "technological civilisation". Right now the latter *needs* nerds. The projects may be reconcilable but it is a problem.
With respect to his eugenic goals, if these are to be implemented on a scale beyond a few friends on an island with a breeding oracle (BAP), a technocratic solution seems necessary? The best ideas we have now that go further than traditional reasonable governance might ---GWAS, selection etc. --seem to call for more sequences, more phenotypic observation, better models, more people/biological diversity and new ideas/technology that go beyond what we can imagine at the moment. A premature optimisation by too much early focus on "quality" may be counterproductive. Dismissal of HBD worries about collapsing birth rate may not be the best direction here?
An older Japanese businessman said he analyzed possible reasons why some Western countries were richer and more inventive compared to Asian countries. Came to believe their successful periods came when they were reading the Bible. So he read it himself and "something about the stories changes the mind." Stressed that listening to preachers doesn't work. He started his own company, became much more successful and strategic than his peers who were happy to live day to day. IMHO, many of our achievement limitations come from differences in belief and priority, which are cultural.
Cheers I’ll definitely check it out. I would highly recommend the “Jordan Peterson psychological analysis of genesis” series on YouTube. Amazing lectures from before his health issues and before he converted. The appeal for me wasn’t why the bible is “true” it was why the bible has lasted so long and is so trippy and interesting.
Super interesting! This emphasis of, don’t listen to preachers read the Bible, is major especially if approaching from an agnostic/psychological/spiritual place rather than from a legalistic/priestly(bad) place. The Bible can be a radical book.
The scientific and industrial output of Japan is far from negligible. For instance, ivermectin was discovered by Omura.
I agree that black people's behavior is not some massive insurmountable problem dealing with which requires giga-Singapore.
None of this really matters in the long run because of cratering birth rates everywhere with an average IQ above 80. Whatever comes out the other end of this funnel will be equally distant from Singapore, SoHo and Haiti.
Eastern superior intelligence: both India and China teach chess in school and strive to be chess nations. After years of trying hard, their combined number of grandmasters: about 130 (pop: almost 3 billion). Chess culture in Scandinavia is small, it is not taught in school (or supported by the state), and is non striving. There are about 60 Scandinavian grandmasters (pop 27 million). What means?!
Didn't quite get your view before this, many trvths learned.
Techcels tend to be spergy system analysts whose political insight amounts to, "What if the smartest people ruled the world? What if we have an exam? What if I check all the boxes?"
I have to say, reading this as an autistic computer science student who also happens to be of 100% Bantu African origin. This is surreal. I don't know why I keep back to the "dissident right" space, I feel like porn addict seeking novel and taboo intellectual fap material. Anyway (I can't believe I am saying this) Big Fan, Keep the Great Work.
As a fellow non-white, I feel addicted to the dissident sphere as well but also to BAP despite my many disagreements with him. I know how ugly racism is but...there's just some truths that are hard for an objective person to brush aside.
I mean if a racist discovered real physics and how to properly apply it and no one else did. It's nonsensical to be crushed by reality just because said reality is made to look racist by association.
Truth, Goodness and Beauty remain what they are regardless of proponent. A broken clock right twice a day situation very often.
I’ve come to treat with much suspicion the current RW idea of “racial solidarity” or “white identity.” At this point I see it mostly as DEI for non-Anglos. Populations Madison Grant would have rejected but who nonetheless have suddenly found a way to graft themselves onto the “Great Race.”
This is not in support of mass immigration, but I fail to see why a WASP should prefer this or that potato n166er or snow n166er (as they used to be called) to a Singaporean or a Korean.
People from eastern Europe, particularly the Balkans, do not appear more intelligent than non-whites but they're somehow lumped into the "white" label and then glorified by these RW morons who only think in terms of physical features. Similar dynamic for Scotch-Irish Americans. Heck, even the boring "salt of the earth" German-descent Americans in the Midwest have produced nothing in terms of art, science, or culture.
Why is so much fraternal solidarity extended to these groups by the dissident right?
It's Anglo American protestantism and the Balkans had 100s of years of Ottoman Turks savagery to deal with. But yeah a Bolivian, zulu, aborigine or Maori are probably as smart.
The Midwest has been very industrial & innovative.
There seems to be a gradient. Tesla was the one cool thing to come from the Balkans.
But many Celts & Finns have produced great work in America. The Dutch & French have been extremely ingenuitive & philosophical. Russia has produced great works & shown itself resilient.
I would only say the Balkans, Iberians, & east-central Slavs are trash (Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Slovaks). This of course includes groups like Albanians.
Most likely because it’s self-serving. The “dissident right” isn’t the historic America of Little House (because by and large that America doesn’t exist anymore). Instead they are a hodge podge of Bulgarians and Irish people calling itself the “Historic American Nation.”
Much insight but I think you are wrong about power/influence of HBD faction
Tech always split between status driven striver-type and craft-obsessed sperg
Only sperg willing to flirt with taboo heterodoxy. Sperg almost always hostile to authority, hence tech libertarian stereotype. Striver-type always aligned with dominant ideology.
Number of HBD Striver type vanishingly small. very unlikely any real influence
takeover by traditional striver type of course leads to bureaucratic morass & disaster but this always true
Hanania literally made a whole article saying that HBD was just racism and shouldn't be spoken of, although he has been kind of inconsistent. He seems to want to bring up black pathology a lot but loves Latino immigrants.
Yes... I think BAP overestimate Banania influence.. but maybe not... if there is large right wing shift, some striver right-wing faction may form to oppose sperg Elon... maybe BAP foresees the future...
What is interesting is that the Mandarin Class in China arose precisely because of intense warfare requiring scaling up to be effective. The Warrior Aristocracy getting eroded by attrition. The rise of the Infantry. And the need to collect taxes and organise on a large scale.
Also the Civil and Military Separation stopped Aristocrats from warring for the Throne. Cementing the King/Emperor in his place as he replaces Warrior Aristocrats with Dorks with power(Officials).
Glad to see you writing more long form, excellent
Great article. The IQ scores of East Asians/Indians do reflect superior intelligence and are not the result of test bias or some other artefact. Intelligence however is necessary but not sufficient for creative and scientific achievement and traditionally it has been the Europeans who dominated in this regard, for whatever reason that may be.
The decision to face post and talk about race is also not a good one; I am in a position where I could post under my real name with no consequences but have decided against it. It's possible that somebody with the right amount of prestige and knowledge could contest the race taboo now with the genetic evidence that is available and win, but the kind of person that goes into academia and gets tenure is unlikely to have the temperament that is suitable for this task.
Lower hanging fruit and relative iq advantage over the orient that has eroded since the 'equalization'. Every photo of the workforce of some tech company in America is now studded with non-whites, and they are not DEI hires. As for science, it is now quite 'linear', gradually improving upon extant technology through iteration. Whether the Chinese could or could not replicate 18th century leaps in Europe on their own is irrelevant ( although I believe that they could ).
Lol infinite envy against white people, chinese people cant write books or film movies. They cant make games and cant write plays. They produced 8 books, 30 pieces of orchestral music, and 4 deadborn philosophies over 4000 years.
I liked crouching tiger, hidden dragon.
Anyway, if science is linear, that's an indictment of its current state.
How do you know science could not be advanced further in some new way we have not guessed yet?
Very Oriental mentality.
The G-factor in IQ test however does not put into account creativity and inventiveness however, which are intelligence in themselves
Especially for technical creativity, which is an actual form of intellectual creativity (eg. patent, invention, discovery) unlike artistic creativity which are more emotion based
Not superior IQ but definitely will inflate grades.
Honestly I'm unsure how G-loaded creativity and inventiveness are, grades from standardized tests and any careerist-friendly setting are very G-loaded, while someone's intuition or insight is barely explored
Creativity is separate from pure brute force intelligence because creativity is a personality trait related to temperament.
There are genius Indians and Chinese... there are also a lot of people with impressive resumes who are imitating their more talented peers, which is a big difference.
I enjoyed this article and think many things are right, however some parts were a bit thin on examples and in particular I think one thing is wrong.
BAP repeats the assertion that most Chinese science is junk and that they cannot develop their own world class mathematical or scientific talent, instead having to rely on Western institutions to develop their geniuses. In general the critiques of the shortcomings of "oriental civilisation" may hold some water, but with respect to academia/STEM in particular I think this is arrogant and risks underestimating a serious competitor.
I will pick on the thread of mathematics since I believe BAP may have some familiarity with the elite of that world through his own studies or personal experiences. This may seem like nitpicking at first, but it leads perhaps to a more substantive critique.
It has seemed to me that mathematics is contracting in the US to fewer institutions recently, and that for eight or ten years or so the centre of gravity of that profession is moving to Europe but also to Asia, with some competitive Canadian institutions of note (like McGill and Waterloo).
Many top professors were already moving their students and shifting their efforts towards Europe (Germany, Switzerland for instance) many years ago due to the general dysfunction of US institutions (the top academics often have joint appointments at European or other universities, so this is one of the mechanisms besides simply connections). Many Russian mathematicians have also fled to Europe now which accelerates this trend.
However, today I think a young prodigy might pick Tsinghua's elite program headed by the famous Shing-Tung Yau (of Calabi-Yau) over anywhere else in the world. There is found the greatest density of young talent and enthusiasm, and in fact many western mathematicians are contributing there, either taking up residence or spending significant time. They are being hosted by Chinese institutes like this one, rather than the other way around, so in this way the tide may be turning the opposite direction to what is implied in this essay. For examples, recent Fields Medallist Cauchar Birchar (Iranian) is on the faculty there, along with some other more Western top mathematicians. Lin Chen who was recently implicated in the proof of Geometric Langlands is at Tsinghua. Kenji Fukaya (American/Japanese). Many visiting scholars from the West.
Back to the topic at hand, the STEM departments in the US (science and mathematics and engineering are all the same here) are the single biggest drivers of and believers in the kind of "high IQ immigration" criticised in the article. And they are not doing this because of fears of blacks or insecurities over sexual prowess but because it is the only way they can prop up their departments from further collapse. Of course international talent does not like to be around ghetto blacks, like in Chicago for instance, where someone is killed every other year.
This situation is mostly due, in my opinion, to lack of talent development at home (much better in Russia, China, Romania even when it comes to math), poor funding/career prospects in the academy for Americans, and a general cultural disinterest in these things among "WASP-coded whites", who are more drawn to finance, economics, or business as serious pursuits.
In terms of mathematics, maybe this is not such a big deal--it is scribblings on paper or in LaTex after all. I am not sure Americans as a people have ever been especially predisposed to this pursuit, outside of European-American Jews (with great goy exceptions of course...William Thurston, Steven Smale, John Nash etc....without Thurston and Hamilton there is no Perelman). But it seems much more significant when we talk about Physics or especially Engineering which are great American disciplines. Top STEM Phd. programs in Engineering (especially in hot tech areas) are often 60-80% foreign with huge contingents of East Asians. They aren't really reliant on being around white people or white institutions and mostly what they need is money for these things (China has it!). There is no reason this stuff will not move en masse to China that I can see, if the government there really wants to make it work. If anything, smart white students with interests in these areas want to be around the talented foreigners when they are willing to deal with the smell for their passion, which makes them disposed to ideologies like "High IQ Immigrant Nationalism" more than anything else. Many of the character traits discussed in the article are maybe more true in the "stiver classes" than in the truly top flight workers/minds.
If you want another data point for the argument here from the world of Mathematics, you can look at Putnam results in the past several years. The Putnam is the preeminent math competition in the world for undergraduates (although it may lose that title to Chinese competitions like AliBaba in coming decades). A decade or more ago students from many schools and more diverse backgrounds were always competing for top spots. Now the competition is almost entirely dominated by East Asian students (whether American or International) at one school---MIT. I think MIT (a class of its own), Princeton, Harvard, Washington, University of Chicago, perhaps UTexas Austin and CMU will remain solid, but otherwise even storied departments like Berkeley seem to be somewhat in decline.
A final true nitpick with this article is that BAP rudely ignores the great ENGLISH contribution to Mathematics. Since he is probably looking at the Fields Medal list---James Maynard, Gowers, Borcherds, Mumford. Several others in BRITISH INSTITUTIONS like the Swiss Martin Hairer. John H. Conway. I can only think some suppressed internal sense of shame at the superiority of the Cambridge program could cause such oversights....
Thank.
I think the main problem with the HBD right is that they think mediocre tier graduates from the orient and elsewhere are worth having. True science, stem, or entrepreneurial talent (like top 1%) should be aggressively recruited, but it’s not particularly important that we get another accountant or registered nurse or H1B programmer or NOVA government contractor from wherever. Less disruptive than the underclass I guess, but not some great priority we need to have at all costs.
I also see that the HBD right can’t see the difference between Indians and East Asians. The former of which strike me as a lot worse than the latter.
Lastly, I think the author overemphasizes blacks. A lot of the HBD right seems to be worried about California and what Hispanic immigration did to it politically. California never had a lot of blacks and they aren’t even the main problem California has with urban blight. Mestizos giving progs unassailable political power in exchange for gibs is what motivates them (this is like literally what Musk says motivates him).
I don't agree with this perspective at all. More accountants, registered nurses, and H1B programmers make our lives easier. Why should we not have luxuries provided to us by foreigners?
Some mathematicians would have you believe a doughnut and a coffee mug are the same thing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mug_and_Torus_morph.gif
Yes hello
I agree with the comment by @SourCreamOnionFritz but also to make three additional comments.
1. BAP's general point that a simple "retvrn to tradition" in America re: free association, normal policing, is sufficient to solve our many of our urban social problems is well-taken, but his political theory of change is ridiculous. There is no getting back to a simpler time, or taking on the fake policy technocracy, without your own small army of technocrats. The "dictatorship" or "schoolhouse rock", model of change that BAP seems to believe in betrayed by every empirical investigation of the Trump administration's performance and the actions of Trump himself, who began the final year of his first term in office by firing the entire Presidential personnel office. You need some policy nerds, some clerks, and some paperwork experts on your side to get things done. If you alienate 99% of them, they will still join your government AS ENEMIES.
2. BAP's fondness (and prejudices) towards the WASPs lead him to completely neglect their issues and the how's and why's they were displaced by the Ellis Island and Asiatic elite in the first place. If there is no going back, then would not having one or two Singapores in the U.S. be an improvement?
3. Similarly, I also think that the HBD nerd's focus on race and IQ, while deficient in so many ways, also elevates the conversation on net because it makes so much of modern leftism untenable. A world in which leftists consist only of the most close-minded, and literally ignorant people, is a world in which their reach is more limited. See, for instance, https://x.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/1848235255053877731
Rawlsian redistribution, mass redistribution to the deficient because they are deficient, simply does not play well in America. Instead, these policies are invariably framed as some kind of "investment" or given some other kind of economistic framing. Thus, the scope for practical anti-leftist arguments is large. The architecture of the most successful policy activism on the right in the last three decades, welfare reform, follows the logic of a right wing anthropologist Lawrence Mead, and was given considerable heft by an HBD race/IQ nerd who could well be a target of this article, Charles Murray.
@Bronze Age Pervert this is a very good retort and merits a response.
In your book and in this article you wisely advise RW men to enter more mundane clerk type fields like law or political consultant.
Yet here you have this psychoanalysis of nerdoid human type. Even if your assessment is part accurate the experience of trump admin 1. Revealed how necessary policy wonks and detail knowers are.
For instance, admin made many unforced errors due to lack of knowledge of admin law (they often outsourced these tasks to career employees who sabotaged and subverted, see eg; DHS head Elaine Duke in DHS v Regents case (DACA case)).
Bureaucrats can also just straight up refuse to do the legally necessary paperwork. So you need enough ideologically sympathetic clerks to replace them https://archive.ph/CMyUn#_ftn30.
Also, @Bronze Age Pervert i think many would appreciate u addressing the following article, https://open.substack.com/pub/rmorrison/p/a-historical-criticism-of-costin?r=75pxg&utm_medium=ios.
only the last part related to the dreary clerk question. The writer’s style and voice is familiar, and he engages in ad hom attacks (starting with the title of publication), but im sure it would be a worthwhile exchange
>You need some policy nerds, some clerks, and some paperwork experts on your side to get things done. If you alienate 99% of them, they will still join your government AS ENEMIES.
This seems to be the direction the (coming?) Trump admin is going for: firing the deep state and replacing them with our guys.
The odds of this actually happening are quite small and its in large part because BAP's "great man" theory is both common on the right and wrong. Trump will face no penalty for business as usual, and that is the direction he will go. Musk, Zionists, and a few other billionaires are likely to push for some initiatives, which have their merits, but that is as far as things are likely to go. That BAP encourages some people, in some cases, to join the security bureaucracy etc. is actually less important than the overall frame of mind that endorses the "great man" theory of change. The accumulation of evidence that this won't get us where we need to go is now enormous. You need some community of idea-people, you need some wonks, and some institutions to do things. A movement that denigrates the special knowledge of right-wing wonks, of which, HBD is an important part, will fail.
Our guys.
Not your guys.
Thank you for the detailed answer. If I may answer the counterpoints - With regards to;
1). There’s quite a “schoolhouse rock” way, it’s devolution of power from the unnatural New Deal Centralized arrangement back to America’s natural and organic Federation. Every American wide scale arrangement from the Iroquois to the Internet has been a Federation, we’re living through a power struggle of failing centralization. You would be correct if we wanted to take over The New Deal, or save DC. We don’t and we can’t (and shouldn’t). Trump isn’t running as the American Gaullist. To use a colorful metaphor, we don’t need technocrats if we have artillery, or matches. Metaphorical of course.
1a. BAP covered completely the technocratic methods for dealing with the particular boogeyman, Officer Stickwell of say the Giuliani policing era has both the correct techne and sufficient Crat to manage the issue.
(We knew all along, we tried, God knows).
We’re actually quite aware of why and how the WASPS fell, thank you.
We’ve come to realize IQ is overrated. For example, in any emergency but especially Natural Disasters, we have just seen again that in that scenario One Redneck is worth 1000 PhDs. The reverse isn’t true. The rednecks (I am one) also have the advantage of similar appearance to the WASPs, if not their fetching accountants and lawyers, who have recently become quite uncomfortable to realize they’re being lumped into the same category as the WASPS and shudder… the rednecks. It may of course be remarked that the WASPs in America began as Rednecks, and their er point 2 clerical usurpers as the urban variant of “redneck.”
I do hope this places all the rebuttal points in perspective. It is true that if we wanted to save the existing order you and the Heritage Foundation and it’s solicitous Project 25 would be correct… but we don’t want to preserve or reanimate the corpse… but bury it.
Thank you for reading, and God Bless Americans.
May he have mercy on the rest.
Bloviating, chest thumping, we gon do a coup
What coup? No one on the MAGA side wants DC.
I think you misunderstand America, and the movement against DC and the ACELA corridor. We want America, not DC, not Technocracy.
The Coup was the Color Revolution against Trump, before that a coup against Nixon.
Before that the Kennedys got shot.
You’re projecting.
It seems to me there is a tension in BAPs thought, which as far as I know he has not fleshed out publicly at this point, between his more "humanistic" goals (reestablishing an emphasis on man's excellence in its full sense body, mind, spirit) and the desire for continuation and acceleration of "technological civilisation". Right now the latter *needs* nerds. The projects may be reconcilable but it is a problem.
With respect to his eugenic goals, if these are to be implemented on a scale beyond a few friends on an island with a breeding oracle (BAP), a technocratic solution seems necessary? The best ideas we have now that go further than traditional reasonable governance might ---GWAS, selection etc. --seem to call for more sequences, more phenotypic observation, better models, more people/biological diversity and new ideas/technology that go beyond what we can imagine at the moment. A premature optimisation by too much early focus on "quality" may be counterproductive. Dismissal of HBD worries about collapsing birth rate may not be the best direction here?
An older Japanese businessman said he analyzed possible reasons why some Western countries were richer and more inventive compared to Asian countries. Came to believe their successful periods came when they were reading the Bible. So he read it himself and "something about the stories changes the mind." Stressed that listening to preachers doesn't work. He started his own company, became much more successful and strategic than his peers who were happy to live day to day. IMHO, many of our achievement limitations come from differences in belief and priority, which are cultural.
I haven't read more than tidbits of the bible (got some weird stories in there though) but this interpretation of Abraham hit me hard: https://www.palladiummag.com/2023/07/13/dont-learn-your-values-from-society/
Cheers I’ll definitely check it out. I would highly recommend the “Jordan Peterson psychological analysis of genesis” series on YouTube. Amazing lectures from before his health issues and before he converted. The appeal for me wasn’t why the bible is “true” it was why the bible has lasted so long and is so trippy and interesting.
Super interesting! This emphasis of, don’t listen to preachers read the Bible, is major especially if approaching from an agnostic/psychological/spiritual place rather than from a legalistic/priestly(bad) place. The Bible can be a radical book.
The scientific and industrial output of Japan is far from negligible. For instance, ivermectin was discovered by Omura.
I agree that black people's behavior is not some massive insurmountable problem dealing with which requires giga-Singapore.
None of this really matters in the long run because of cratering birth rates everywhere with an average IQ above 80. Whatever comes out the other end of this funnel will be equally distant from Singapore, SoHo and Haiti.
The practical foundation of modern civilization is precision machining, and the tools which make those machines. Here, too, Japan excels.
Eastern superior intelligence: both India and China teach chess in school and strive to be chess nations. After years of trying hard, their combined number of grandmasters: about 130 (pop: almost 3 billion). Chess culture in Scandinavia is small, it is not taught in school (or supported by the state), and is non striving. There are about 60 Scandinavian grandmasters (pop 27 million). What means?!
Didn't quite get your view before this, many trvths learned.
Techcels tend to be spergy system analysts whose political insight amounts to, "What if the smartest people ruled the world? What if we have an exam? What if I check all the boxes?"
Eating potatoes now
I have to say, reading this as an autistic computer science student who also happens to be of 100% Bantu African origin. This is surreal. I don't know why I keep back to the "dissident right" space, I feel like porn addict seeking novel and taboo intellectual fap material. Anyway (I can't believe I am saying this) Big Fan, Keep the Great Work.
As a fellow non-white, I feel addicted to the dissident sphere as well but also to BAP despite my many disagreements with him. I know how ugly racism is but...there's just some truths that are hard for an objective person to brush aside.
I mean if a racist discovered real physics and how to properly apply it and no one else did. It's nonsensical to be crushed by reality just because said reality is made to look racist by association.
Truth, Goodness and Beauty remain what they are regardless of proponent. A broken clock right twice a day situation very often.
I’ve come to treat with much suspicion the current RW idea of “racial solidarity” or “white identity.” At this point I see it mostly as DEI for non-Anglos. Populations Madison Grant would have rejected but who nonetheless have suddenly found a way to graft themselves onto the “Great Race.”
This is not in support of mass immigration, but I fail to see why a WASP should prefer this or that potato n166er or snow n166er (as they used to be called) to a Singaporean or a Korean.
People from eastern Europe, particularly the Balkans, do not appear more intelligent than non-whites but they're somehow lumped into the "white" label and then glorified by these RW morons who only think in terms of physical features. Similar dynamic for Scotch-Irish Americans. Heck, even the boring "salt of the earth" German-descent Americans in the Midwest have produced nothing in terms of art, science, or culture.
Why is so much fraternal solidarity extended to these groups by the dissident right?
>Why is so much fraternal solidarity extended to these groups by the dissident right?
Because they look and act like us.
No they don't. You live in a bubble.
It's Anglo American protestantism and the Balkans had 100s of years of Ottoman Turks savagery to deal with. But yeah a Bolivian, zulu, aborigine or Maori are probably as smart.
The Midwest has been very industrial & innovative.
There seems to be a gradient. Tesla was the one cool thing to come from the Balkans.
But many Celts & Finns have produced great work in America. The Dutch & French have been extremely ingenuitive & philosophical. Russia has produced great works & shown itself resilient.
I would only say the Balkans, Iberians, & east-central Slavs are trash (Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Slovaks). This of course includes groups like Albanians.
Most likely because it’s self-serving. The “dissident right” isn’t the historic America of Little House (because by and large that America doesn’t exist anymore). Instead they are a hodge podge of Bulgarians and Irish people calling itself the “Historic American Nation.”
How’s your tranny son though?
Much insight but I think you are wrong about power/influence of HBD faction
Tech always split between status driven striver-type and craft-obsessed sperg
Only sperg willing to flirt with taboo heterodoxy. Sperg almost always hostile to authority, hence tech libertarian stereotype. Striver-type always aligned with dominant ideology.
Number of HBD Striver type vanishingly small. very unlikely any real influence
takeover by traditional striver type of course leads to bureaucratic morass & disaster but this always true
Perhaps Banania is the best example of the type of person he is talking about.
Hanania literally made a whole article saying that HBD was just racism and shouldn't be spoken of, although he has been kind of inconsistent. He seems to want to bring up black pathology a lot but loves Latino immigrants.
Yes... I think BAP overestimate Banania influence.. but maybe not... if there is large right wing shift, some striver right-wing faction may form to oppose sperg Elon... maybe BAP foresees the future...
What is interesting is that the Mandarin Class in China arose precisely because of intense warfare requiring scaling up to be effective. The Warrior Aristocracy getting eroded by attrition. The rise of the Infantry. And the need to collect taxes and organise on a large scale.
Also the Civil and Military Separation stopped Aristocrats from warring for the Throne. Cementing the King/Emperor in his place as he replaces Warrior Aristocrats with Dorks with power(Officials).
This is not pr0n, i don't understand
KGB opsec and divine wind, wat means?